High Notes - Page 2

uatrmpt · 06-09-2006, 04:56 PM

I think that a lot of the fixation comes from being presented with literature that you just can't play because you don't have the notes. A lot of teachers never address range. They fall back on the "practice correctly and it will come with time" excuse. I don't think they know how to help students increase their range because those teachers are such natural players. My teacher - a graduate of a prestegious conservatory, can play the Brandenberg very well using a 5C mouthpiece -- has always been good. Unfortunately, he never addressed any basics of playing.

Practicing doesn't always fix problems; sometimes it just ingrains them.

DCB · 06-09-2006, 05:17 PM

It was just some guy having fun.... sometimes you guys take things to seriously.
He does have quite a range.

wiseone2 · 06-09-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DCB

It was just some guy having fun.... sometimes you guys take things to seriously.
He does have quite a range.

The sound was down-right ugly. The squealing sound of subway brakes is more pleasing to my ears.
THE TRUMPET IS A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT, NOT AN INSTRUMENT OF TORTURE.
The humor escapes me.
Wilmer

DCB · 06-09-2006, 05:47 PM

That is a personal thing.
I did not say it sounded great... just different.
Many times (not always) people who slam people who can play high can't do it themselves. Many don't like MF... but he is amazing even in his 70's.

Personal taste.

trumpjosh · 06-09-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseone2

THE TRUMPET IS A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT, NOT AN INSTRUMENT OF TORTURE.

Since I've just finishing practicing excerpts, I must beg to differ.

TrumpetDan · 06-09-2006, 06:05 PM

I don't know what to say other than...

I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Wise. The trumpet is an artistic instrument, and that playing was...uh....not very artistic.

I don't believe in "painting the devil on the wall."

Dan

wiseone2 · 06-09-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DCB

That is a personal thing.
I did not say it sounded great... just different.
Many times (not always) people who slam people who can play high can't do it themselves. Many don't like MF... but he is amazing even in his 70's.

Personal taste.

Read my first post. The ending of the Mahler Second Symphony is one of music's most beautiful moments. I still say that I don't see the humor in the performance. I am speaking about music.
Wilmer

DCB · 06-09-2006, 06:33 PM

I agree.. very beautiful music.
Some guy sitting around having fun and made a recording and now he is on the chopping block. It was not something I would sit around and listen to... but just found it interesting... he has great range. As for the tone... could have been a really bad mic.?
Not trying to ruffle and feathers.

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Originally Posted by wiseone2

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Originally Posted by DCB

That is a personal thing.
I did not say it sounded great... just different.
Many times (not always) people who slam people who can play high can't do it themselves. Many don't like MF... but he is amazing even in his 70's.

Personal taste.

Read my first post. The ending of the Mahler Second Symphony is one of music's most beautiful moments. I still say that I don't see the humor in the performance. I am speaking about music.
Wilmer

trpt2345 · 06-09-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseone2

Screaming, screeching, whistling, squealing are some of the terms associated with playing in the upper register of the trumpet.
After hearing this clip I thought it time to talk about this facet of trumpet playing
Here's the excerpt.
http://www.darylburch.com/musicpain/mahler.mp3
This is sacrilegious!
This is possibly the most tasteless piece of trumpet playing I have ever heard.
It's like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa.
Wilmer

That is brutal. Like some of the older cats I know would say, ouch, babe. I couldn't listen to it all the way through.

Michael McLaughlin

"Experience is a dear school but a fool will learn in no other." Ben Franklin

dkelley · 06-09-2006, 10:34 PM

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I agree with Nick that the screamer in the Mahler clip is just having some fun. A little (un)music joke. I thought it was funny.

I also have never been all that excited by music that relies on the visceral response from blazing high notes. Pretty soon the feeling of high energy wears off and I'm left wonder what else is to it.

My personal goal is to be able to play double Cs so I will be able to play anything I want with no fear of the range. I'd then be able to play all those sweet baroque trumpet concertos with subtly, grace, and spontaneity.

A guy's got to have dreams!!

Making rude noises like those on the clip have nothing to do with baroque trumpet playing. Sledge hammer attacks don't work on the higher pitched trumpets.
If I played like that I would be frightened out of my wits to stand up and play Telemann, I might deafen the first row

If you want spectacular high note playing, get the lost Diz and Bird Carnagie Hall concert recording. Diz made music up there, not just high notes.
Wilmer

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying I wanted to play harshly like the recording. I was just saying I want to have command of the extreme register so I don't have to worry about the notes and can concentrate on making music. That's what I meant by "subtlety, grace and spontaneity." I guess I didn't make that clear.
I'm interested in checking out the Diz/Bird recording to mentioned.

06-09-2006, 04:56 PM	#11
uatrmpt Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: AL Posts: 337	I think that a lot of the fixation comes from being presented with literature that you just can't play because you don't have the notes. A lot of teachers never address range. They fall back on the "practice correctly and it will come with time" excuse. I don't think they know how to help students increase their range because those teachers are such natural players. My teacher - a graduate of a prestegious conservatory, can play the Brandenberg very well using a 5C mouthpiece -- has always been good. Unfortunately, he never addressed any basics of playing. Practicing doesn't always fix problems; sometimes it just ingrains them. __________________ --Matt--

06-09-2006, 05:17 PM	#12
DCB Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: N. Florida Posts: 175	It was just some guy having fun.... sometimes you guys take things to seriously. He does have quite a range. __________________ dcb <>< John 14:6 Kanstul/ Najoom French Besson Holton Collegiate Conn 80A Amati flugelhorn

06-09-2006, 05:47 PM	#14
DCB Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: N. Florida Posts: 175	That is a personal thing. I did not say it sounded great... just different. Many times (not always) people who slam people who can play high can't do it themselves. Many don't like MF... but he is amazing even in his 70's. Personal taste. __________________ dcb <>< John 14:6 Kanstul/ Najoom French Besson Holton Collegiate Conn 80A Amati flugelhorn

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TrumpetDan New Friend Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 16	I don't know what to say other than... I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Wise. The trumpet is an artistic instrument, and that playing was...uh....not very artistic. I don't believe in "painting the devil on the wall." Dan

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