wiseone2

My warmup is short and simple. I do the first flow study down to low F#, a little Clarke up to high C, some tonguing and I am ready to go. It takes 5 minutes.
Over at TH there is a topic going on about warm downs.........I said that I don't warm down, and of course some guy took offense with that.
My warm up is the same when I am out in public. I hate the showboating some guys do in the guise of warming up
I don't mistake the warm up with practice.......warm ups take minutes. Practice takes hours of concentration.
Wilmer

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So let's see.....

A world renowned trumpet artist, who has done more in his chosen field, who has done everything that most of us have dreamed of doing, knows more jazz musicians on a personal and friendship basis, is respected by everyone who understands the trumpet (Classical AND jazz) and is willing to give advice freely to any and everyone.

When this person gives an insight into what a longtime professional does, he gets FLAMED by some anonymous internet moron????? (haven't read it, I don't go THere)

Well the guy with the problem certainly does HAVE some.

Keep up the great advice Wilmer.

Have a great day, from a working professional who values EVERYTHING you have to offer!

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Wilmer,

You always get straight to the point. Your words are like echo to what I heard from the late Roger Voisin - "you should be able to get ready in 5 min". Some people always try to make it as complicated as possible...

To all warm down morons: Warming down...get this: to warm down, moron!

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Years ago, I saw Bobby Shew blow away the "warm-up myth" at a clinic of his, and his flutter warm-up has saved many a gig.

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Hi Wilmer,
I don't think the TH guy was disagreeing with you. I think he was saying that you are a good enough player that we should listen to what you say.

What is a flow study?

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So let's see.....

A world renowned trumpet artist, who has done more in his chosen field, who has done everything that most of us have dreamed of doing, knows more jazz musicians on a personal and friendship basis, is respected by everyone who understands the trumpet (Classical AND jazz) and is willing to give advice freely to any and everyone.

When this person gives an insight into what a longtime professional does, he gets FLAMED by some anonymous internet moron????? (haven't read it, I don't go THere)

Well the guy with the problem certainly does HAVE some.

Keep up the great advice Wilmer.

Have a great day, from a working professional who values EVERYTHING you have to offer!
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Wilmer,

I've always felt like I could be ready to play with pretty minimal warm up, but once in awhile I start playing and it just doesn't seem to want to work like normal. Maybe it's after a night of heavy playing, or maybe for no obvious reason. Does this ever happen to you and is there anything in particular you do differently or extra? Thanks!

Jason.

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The guy wasn't disagreeing with our man, Wilmer! Sorry, Big Fella! He was talking about what the best thing to do for a "warm-down" is. Wilmer chimed in to say that most places he works don't allow warming down and that it's a concept he doesn't understand. He's always just put the horn in the case and warmed up well the next day and been fine. Great!

The things is, Wilmer (and you know I love you, my man!) seemed to get pretty defensive when the guy didn't just say OK to that and wanted to keep discussing warm downs.


"Wilmer makes us all jealous with his playing. He can play the most strenuous gigs and not fall into any habits that make him play worse; hence, a warm-up the next day is enough.

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Nonsense Eliminator wrote:
I don't think that a warm-down is necessary in most instances. When it is, it's because you want to re-establish good habits after bashing away at your chops. It seems to me that the best way to re-establish good habits at the end of the day is probably something very similar to what you do to re-establish good habits at the beginning of the day. If your sole goal is simply to relax your chops, I can't think of any compelling reason to involve a trumpet.


I absolutely agree with this.

Blood flows back into the muscles immediately the mpc pressure is removed.


Muscle recovery is all about blood flow. That and having proper nourishment in your bloodstream for the body to recover. Chops like a board can impede that process, although it is a bigger problem for bigger muscles.
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In the 60 or so years I have played I never once warmed down..........I bow to your expertise.
Out.
Wilmer"

It just wasn't a very nice way of saying this. And, regarding expertise....there are a lot of fine trumpet players who DO warm down. Mr. Michael Sachs (my favorite classical player) says in his book Daily Fundamentals, "The warm down is an essential part of your conditioning program and routine....Never put the trumpet away after a particularly demanding session without playing a few "feel good" exercises to re-center things." Well, Mr. Sachs, although having "some expertise", is still young, so let's ignore what he says. How about Laurie Frink? In her book Flexus she discusses the use of Pedal Tones, "Because pedal tones increase the flow of blood to the lips, they also help to reduce swelling and relieve stiffness on the day following a strenuous performance. They can be used as a warm down immediately after a performance as well." Well, I guess we can't really take her "expertise" as gospel because she just plays jazz. We need someone who's a little more rounded. How about Chris Gekker? He does it all (just like our Mr. Wise). To quote from his Piccolo trumpet book (Summer Practice 2003), "When I have found myself in a long hard period of pounding my chops on a daily basis, I always spend some time at the end of each day playing whisper soft, trying to get my aperture closer and more finely tuned before I put my horn away. This is not really "warming down" (which is not really something I've ever been able to understand) and personally , I don't like to do pedal tones at this time, which might feel good but would just spread out my aperture more. It is simply attempting to reclaim the physical state that allows for good musicianship on the trumpet."

So, we can see that three of our most well known and respected performers and pedagogues DO advocate (regardless of semantics or techniques) some sort of process for getting your chops back in order, when needed, before putting the horn away for the day. This is not some trivial matter. Just like getting in a thoughtful warm-up is not. I'm sure, Mr. Wise, that you know EXACTLY what you're doing and WHY you're doing it. I also would bet that you know plenty of other people at least as successful as yourself who do very different things than you do to get ready to play. Different things work for different people. To shoot someone's curiosity and interest down in such a mean spirited way because they dared not take your word as final is shocking and disappointing (to me....a fan!).

.....but what do I know. I'm just a HS kid in Berea, so I don't have anywhere near your expertise.....Fo' Shizzle!

Love and respect,
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Trumpet Nick,
I'm one of those morons that warm down. Want to compare careers? Did you see Mr. Wise calling it a moronic act? He doesn't warm down, but would not call others who do so morons!
Roy Griffin

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Roy,

"In the 60 or so years I have played I never once warmed down....I bow to your expertise.
Out.

Wilmer"

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