Range needed to be a pro?

duval · 04-02-2008, 02:56 PM

I know that range isn't everything, and that musicality is more important overall, but what range would you consider being the minimum required to get the job done as a professional?
Thanks, David

brem · 04-02-2008, 03:16 PM

high W. ;)

wiseone2 · 04-02-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duval

I know that range isn't everything, and that musicality is more important overall, but what range would you consider being the minimum required to get the job done as a professional?
Thanks, David

If you can play from low f sharp to an f above high c you can cover the notes on most Broadway shows.
There are many things a pro MUST have. A beautiful sound is most important. Flexibility of style. Consistancy is a must. The ability to work in tight surroundings. A sense of humor also helps

Today's professional players have many more demands placed upon them than the players from the past.
Wilmer

brem · 04-02-2008, 03:52 PM

If you can hit a high F#, what's preventing you from hitting a double high G?

Dale Proctor · 04-02-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseone2

...The ability to work in tight surroundings...

This, along with poor lighting, are the two things that drive me crazy. Maybe I have a slight touch of claustrophobia (or some other phobia), but being crammed elbow to elbow in a pit or on a stage without enough room to even hold my bell straight out without hitting my stand makes me a little frantic sometimes....

Bear · 04-02-2008, 04:04 PM

Low F# to High F is the only range needed to cover 98% of teh material out there depending on your definition of a "pro" job. There have been several instances of DHC's among other, but these have usually been placed in parenthesis. However, as mentioned before, we all know range is subservient to sound, style, etc. That being said, it won't hurt to be comfortable up to a DHC.

duval · 04-02-2008, 04:04 PM

Thanks very much for the response, I currently am comfortable up to high C/D ish but not consistent, however I've got a few years to work on that until applying to music school (finishing a history degree first) I find that I use too much pressure, and have been told by a professional jazz player that the Maggio system would be appropriate for me, have you used or heard anything about this? Any info would be much appreciated.
Thanks, David

rowuk · 04-03-2008, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brem

If you can hit a high F#, what's preventing you from hitting a double high G?

750 lbs per square inch
(double G is more than an octave away from high F# too - the pressure method "chokes" everything off much much earlier)

In Duvals other post I mention a daily routine assigned and monitored by a good teacher as the best way to start playing smart. Replacing brains with brawn never works too well.

brem · 04-03-2008, 09:29 AM

no it's not... it' s a halftone away ;) if you consider high G to be the note just above the staff...

My question was more, since when we press the pistons we lower our "true pitch" a halftone down, what prevents someone who reaches a high F# to hit the next halftone by not pressing the darn piston? :)

Patric_Bernard · 04-03-2008, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

750 lbs per square inch
(double G is more than an octave away from high F# too - the pressure method "chokes" everything off much much earlier)

In Duvals other post I mention a daily routine assigned and monitored by a good teacher as the best way to start playing smart. Replacing brains with brawn never works too well.

Lets see... so if your packin 750 psi... onto your bach 3C, which is about 3 or maybe 4 square inches total lip area...well shit...Just make it 751 and you gotta DHC... Trumpet playing isn't smarts... its ALLLL BRAWN hahaha jk

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duval New Friend Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Brand: B&S Posts: 21	Re: Range needed to be a pro? Thanks very much for the response, I currently am comfortable up to high C/D ish but not consistent, however I've got a few years to work on that until applying to music school (finishing a history degree first) I find that I use too much pressure, and have been told by a professional jazz player that the Maggio system would be appropriate for me, have you used or heard anything about this? Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks, David

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brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Brand: Stage 1 - Schilke mpc Posts: 618	Re: Range needed to be a pro? no it's not... it' s a halftone away ;) if you consider high G to be the note just above the staff... My question was more, since when we press the pistons we lower our "true pitch" a halftone down, what prevents someone who reaches a high F# to hit the next halftone by not pressing the darn piston? :) Last edited by brem : 04-03-2008 at 09:59 AM.
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