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Old 03-21-2008, 11:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Early influences?

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Quite some time ago we had an interesting discussion on TM about the dearth of trumpet playing heard on television today, in contrast to what we used to find there 30 - 40 years ago. Food for thought.

On a related topic, many of us became turned on to the trumpet (and symphonic music, for that matter) when we first heard some of the classic film scores of Erich Korngold, Maurice Jarre, Bernard Hermann, and others. This tradition has continued, particularly through the music of John Williams and Howard Shore.

Please take a look/listen to the few clips below and then tell me about the symphonic film scores that have caught your ear (and why)?

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Maurice Jarre: Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irPSvEkQl8Q

Erich Korngold: The Sea Hawk (1940)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-RPzAbW7No
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9kgV...eature=related

Bernard Hermann: North by Northwest (1959)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIlqa...eature=related
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Old 03-22-2008, 10:04 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Early influences?

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Quite some time ago we had an interesting discussion on TM about the dearth of trumpet playing heard on television today, in contrast to what we used to find there 30 - 40 years ago. Food for thought.

On a related topic, many of us became turned on to the trumpet (and symphonic music, for that matter) when we first heard some of the classic film scores of Erich Korngold, Maurice Jarre, Bernard Hermann, and others. This tradition has continued, particularly through the music of John Williams and Howard Shore.

Please take a look/listen to the few clips below and then tell me about the symphonic film scores that have caught your ear (and why)?

Best,
EC

Maurice Jarre: Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
YouTube - Maurice Jarre - Lawrence Of Arabia

Erich Korngold: The Sea Hawk (1940)
YouTube - Erich Korngold - The Sea Hawk 1/2
YouTube - Thorpe's Heroics (The Sea Hawk, 1940)

Bernard Hermann: North by Northwest (1959)
YouTube - title sequence of North by Northwest

The soundtrack to Francis Ford Coppola's "Dracula" by Woijech (sp?) Kilar. This is a captivating soundtrack by an amazing composer. It was AFTER seeing this film and digging this soundtrack that I learned that Mr. Kilar is a respected Polish composer, trapped behind the Iron Curtain for decades....

This is a great soundtrack....and IMHO a great film!

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Re: Early influences?

Ed,

The first music I remember listening to was the one record I owned for a little turntable I had. The record was the original soundtrack to Star Wars with the London Symphony Orchestra. I was actually obsessed with this soundtrack long before I even saw the movies. It goes without saying that there was some great trumpet playing by Maurice Murphy and the rest of the LSO trumpet section, and as the main theme starts with that huge trumpet sound it left a pretty lasting impression on me.

Some scores that have recently caught my attention are those of Clint Mansell, particularly for the films Requiem for a Dream and The Fountain. Both feature the Kronos Quartet, but The Fountain is particularly interesting because it also uses the band Mogwai and occasionally some choral stuff mixed in. There's no trumpet in this version but there was an extended version of a piece from Requiem for a Dream done for one the Lord of the Rings trailers that had some nice stuff. Anyway, nice soundtracks and well worth listening to.




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Old 03-25-2008, 12:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Early influences?

Well, I can tell you for sure as someone who works with younger kids that John Williams has been great for them. Over the years, requests from, my students for music from Star Wars, Jurassic Park, and other scores of his make it clear to me that the kids do notice, and with brass heavy music like Williams, make it easier for them to be inspired.
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Star Wars all the way!
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Re: Early influences?

For me, I would say Carl Stalling. He used snippets of all kinds of music in those Warner Bros. cartoons. I watched those cartoons so much that when in music appreciation class, I found I actually knew quite a bit of the music we studied. Someone told me the 1st trumpet of the WB Orchestra at the time was Larry Sullivan. I would list him as an early influence on my trumpet playing. That was some great trumpet playing in those cartoons.
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Re: Early influences?

Bernard Hermann's terrifying score for "Psycho" was memorable for me, as well as Quincy Jones' jazz score for "The Pawnbroker." Of course, I've always loved Kubrick films, which use "real" music from the masters..."2001" and "A Clockwork Orange" gave a new twist to Strauss waltzes and Beethoven's Ninth. I also loved the scene in "The Shining" in which the model of the topiary maize becomes the real one while the slow movement Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta is playing...
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Re: Early influences?

Whata,

I can't agree more. I was addicted to cartoons when I was a kid and many of them featured great trumpet playing.

(TMers, WATCH this full cartoon, ok? You won't regret it)
YouTube - Bugs Bunny: What's Opera Doc

(these too)
YouTube - Rabbit of Seville

YouTube - Baton Bunny

This was the point made by Manny on the original thread here. Many of us were tremendously infuenced by being able to flip on the tube in the 50s and 60s and hear the trumpet being played really well. This, sadly, isn't the case today.

This is why I chose to discuss film music. Most of today's kids have heard wonderful trumpet playing in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Saving Private Ryan, Apollo 13 (kudos to Tim Morrison for the last two), etc.

Best and watching this rather slow thread with absolute interest,
EC
ps: this was my favorite cartoon: YouTube - Top Cat Intro Credits

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I have vivid memories of the closing credits from Jonny Quest:

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