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Old 02-24-2007, 12:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Grandteachers

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I've been enjoying the thread on TH concerning our trumpet "grandteachers" (teacher of your teacher) and propose that we do the same here to learn more about our membership. I suggest that we take this one step farther, if possible, (we're TMers, afterall) and list great-grandteachers as well (the sound you hear is Derek Reaban licking his chops!)

EC examples:

My first teacher was Renold Schilke, which makes my grandteacher Edward B. Llewellyn (of "My Regards" fame) and my great-grandteacher his father, James D. Llewellyn (who played cornet at the Columbian World’s Fair in 1893).

My second teacher was Vincent Cichowicz, which through the twists and turns of generational madness makes Renold Schilke my grandteacher and Edward B. Llewellyn my great-grandteacher.

Perhaps this cross-breeding was an instinctive reason for fleeing Chicago for New York in 1974?

My next teacher was William Vacchiano, which makes my grandteacher Max Schlossberg and great-grandteacher Adolf Sauer (of the Moscow Conservatory).

My final teacher was Gerard Schwarz, a student of William Vacchiano. I suppose this makes Schlossberg my great-grandteacher as well, proving once again that the apple doesn't fall far from the generational tree.

Watching here with interest,
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Old 02-24-2007, 01:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Grandteachers

Walt Laursen was my teacher.

He studied with Clarke, Vladimier Drucker, Hy Lammers, and Floyd Hoose.

If anyone has any info on Walt and Jan, I'd appreciate it. I tried to contact him a bit ago and failed.

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Old 02-24-2007, 03:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Grandteachers

Well, my main teachers right now are:

Alan Siebert: Studied with Charlie Schlueter (Vacchiano student), David Hickman (Frank Baird student), John Ware (Harold Rehrig and Vacchiano student), Clifford Lillya (anybody know his teachers?)

Phil Collins: Studied with Bernard Adelstein (Louis Davidson student), Sydney Mear (Ernest Williams?), Daniel Patrylak, Mel Broiles (Vacchiano Student),William Vacchiano (Schlossberg Student), Arnold Jacobs, and Armando Ghitalla (Vacchiano student).

My teacher in high school studied with Eugene Blee (student of Henry Wolgemuth who was imported by from his post in Germany as the Kaiser's personal cornetist by Reiner to play in Cincinnati) and Marie Speziale (Eugene Blee and Arnold Jacobs student).

Vacchiano sure is a name that keeps popping up...
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Grandteachers

Interesting... here goes:
My fiorst teacher was David Naylor, who studied with John Schorge. (I don't know John's lineage, unfortunately). Naylor's lineage is also a b it unclear to me.

Next was John Ellis, who studied with Dave Hickman. Surprisingly, I can't seem to locate a bio on Dave...but since so many know him and who he is...

Well, after a short look through my stuff, I found a bio on Mr. Hickman: he goes back to Maurice Andre, Adolf Herseth, Roger Voisin and Armando Ghitalla.
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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My teacher in High School was Stan Louiseau; a student of Max Woodbury and Renold Schilke.

At Indiana University I studied with Louis Davidson and William Adam.
Mr. Davidson was a student of Max Schlossberg.

In grad school at the University of Minnesota; I studied with David Baldwin, a student of Robert Nagel and William Vachianno; I also studied with Mr. Charles Schlueter a student of William Vachianno.

I am very grateful for the opportunity I had study with each of these
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Grandteachers

I had the pleasure of having the great Wilmer Wise as a trumpet teacher followed by Langston Fitzgearld
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Re: Grandteachers

Interesting thread:

Among my teachers was Dr. Paul Willwerth, up at Central Michigan University, who had studied the Hindemith Sonata with Renold Schilke while it was in manuscript form. He taught me insights into the piece that Schilke gave him directly from Hindemith. I really treasure that insight!

Perhaps Ed also has some insights into the Hindemith Sonata that he learned from Schilke. ...new thread material?

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Re: Grandteachers

I studied with someone named Eddie and now teach his kids. Talk about pressure ;)

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Old 02-25-2007, 01:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I have studied with Michael Meeks. He is from Brittain and I don't know very many names over accross the big blue. The other two I have studied with are Dr. Allen Miller who is a trombonist who studied with Cristian Lombard and Joe Allessi and Byron Peebles. The other teachers name is Maynard Ferguson. Unfortunately I only got two lessons with Mr. Ferguson.
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:26 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Grandteachers

my grandteachers were, in the order that i studied with the teachers:

sidney mear
gerorges mager/roger vosion
herseth
vachiano
herseth

to spice things up, i'll omit the names of the actual teachers and let you guess! all of these teachers I studied with during the 70s with the exception of number 4 and number 3 who is a very specific teacher. also, all the teachers (except number 1, but he was a sub with one of the b5) were principlas or members of the big 5 (or what was called the big 5 in my student days)

but to be frank, the greatest teacher i ever had (and have) was/is me so that makes the grand teacher(s) the collective consiousness of all the great minds of the trumpet.

by the way, i haven't played classical music in years what with performing in the jazz and commercial area.

(small caps are good!)
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