Overlooked French Methods

DulinM · 03-13-2007, 12:11 AM

Hi Ed

Last summer I went to Paris for the first time. While there I purchased alot of French trumpet music including the Arban method by Leduc and the Franquinn method. I also bought the 15 Balay etudes, Chavanne etudes and the Pourett etudes. I found all of these books interesting and challenging. I am surprised that more players here in the US do not use these books. (other than the cost) Do you have any thoughts on this? Are there any of these books that you use or like? Are there others you find that are overlooked?

Thanks

Mark Dulin

Winthrop University Music Department

Richard Oliver · 03-13-2007, 02:20 AM

Dulin,

I've never worked from a Leduc Arbans. Any differences worth mentioning from the Goldman?

All the Best,

Richard

ecarroll · 03-13-2007, 07:00 AM

Hi Mark,

In addition to the commonly played etudes by Bitsch I have 2 volumes of etudes by H. Duhem (Belgian/French) that I've always liked. I'm also using some of Pierre Thibaud's exercises in my classes at McGill and CalArts.

My closet is filled with Russian and Bulgarian etudes that I picked up while giving masterclasses in those countries. We reach a point that we have more materials than need, really...

Tell us about the Ballay and Chavanne etudes?

Best,
EC

trumpetnick · 03-13-2007, 07:18 AM

Was not Chavanne Maurice Andre's teacher?

Manny Laureano · 03-13-2007, 08:07 AM

I have nothing to add to this, Ed. I clicked because my bleary eyes read the post title as "Overcooked French...". I thought "Cool, Ed is soliciting culinary advice, maybe there's a good recipe for something...". Then, I looked a bit more carefully.

Going back to bed now...

ML

Khora · 03-13-2007, 08:26 AM

Are the Chavanne etudes the same ones that Voisin edited (25 Characteristic Studies - Interntational Music Co.)? I find them to be similar to the Arban's Characteristic studies - good technical challenges, but not as musically developed as Charlier, Bitsch, Porret.

I actually like the Falk Etudes Atonal - great for developing a different set of ears.

Alex Yates · 03-24-2007, 04:25 PM

While in Belgium I was turned on to "Dix Etudes - Concertantes et d'Interpretation" by Raymond Sabarich [Ed. Selmer]. I highly recommend that one. Also, "Enseignement de la Trompette - Etudes Practiques" by Rene Laurent and "Douze Etudes Variees pour Trompette" by P.M. Dubois. [both LEDUC].

wiseone2 · 03-24-2007, 05:12 PM

There was a recording of the Sabarich Etudes that was fabulous. The trumpet player was Louis Menardi.....I think.
Gil Johnson used the Rene Laurent Etudes. He played the first etude on the piccolo trumpet. Beautifully.
Wilmer

tpter1 · 03-24-2007, 09:10 PM

How about the Tomasi etudes? (I think it's a book of 9, published by Leduc).

Alex Yates · 03-24-2007, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpter1

How about the Tomasi etudes? (I think it's a book of 9, published by Leduc).

The Tomasis are good Glenn. A few stand alone pretty well as solo works. Thanks for the reminder. I am going to dig mine up and play through a few.

1st Laurent on the piccolo, eh Wilmer? I might have to give that a try. Thanks!

03-13-2007, 12:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
DulinM New Friend Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4	Overlooked French Methods Hi Ed Last summer I went to Paris for the first time. While there I purchased alot of French trumpet music including the Arban method by Leduc and the Franquinn method. I also bought the 15 Balay etudes, Chavanne etudes and the Pourett etudes. I found all of these books interesting and challenging. I am surprised that more players here in the US do not use these books. (other than the cost) Do you have any thoughts on this? Are there any of these books that you use or like? Are there others you find that are overlooked? Thanks Mark Dulin Winthrop University Music Department
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03-13-2007, 02:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
Richard Oliver Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 1,205	Re: Overlooked French Methods Dulin, I've never worked from a Leduc Arbans. Any differences worth mentioning from the Goldman? All the Best, Richard

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ecarroll Artist in Residence Forte User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NH/CA/PQ Posts: 1,401	Re: Overlooked French Methods Hi Mark, In addition to the commonly played etudes by Bitsch I have 2 volumes of etudes by H. Duhem (Belgian/French) that I've always liked. I'm also using some of Pierre Thibaud's exercises in my classes at McGill and CalArts. My closet is filled with Russian and Bulgarian etudes that I picked up while giving masterclasses in those countries. We reach a point that we have more materials than need, really... Tell us about the Ballay and Chavanne etudes? Best, EC

03-13-2007, 07:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
trumpetnick Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vidin, Bulgaria Brand: Spada Posts: 796	Re: Overlooked French Methods Was not Chavanne Maurice Andre's teacher?
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Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Re: Overlooked French Methods I have nothing to add to this, Ed. I clicked because my bleary eyes read the post title as "Overcooked French...". I thought "Cool, Ed is soliciting culinary advice, maybe there's a good recipe for something...". Then, I looked a bit more carefully. Going back to bed now... ML

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Khora Pianissimo User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New York Posts: 160	Re: Overlooked French Methods Are the Chavanne etudes the same ones that Voisin edited (25 Characteristic Studies - Interntational Music Co.)? I find them to be similar to the Arban's Characteristic studies - good technical challenges, but not as musically developed as Charlier, Bitsch, Porret. I actually like the Falk Etudes Atonal - great for developing a different set of ears.

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Alex Yates Forte User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Brand: ECLIPSE Posts: 2,401	Re: Overlooked French Methods While in Belgium I was turned on to "Dix Etudes - Concertantes et d'Interpretation" by Raymond Sabarich [Ed. Selmer]. I highly recommend that one. Also, "Enseignement de la Trompette - Etudes Practiques" by Rene Laurent and "Douze Etudes Variees pour Trompette" by P.M. Dubois. [both LEDUC].
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wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,188	Re: Overlooked French Methods There was a recording of the Sabarich Etudes that was fabulous. The trumpet player was Louis Menardi.....I think. Gil Johnson used the Rene Laurent Etudes. He played the first etude on the piccolo trumpet. Beautifully. Wilmer Last edited by wiseone2 : 03-24-2007 at 05:19 PM.
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tpter1 Forte User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern New York Brand: Lawler Posts: 2,309	Re: Overlooked French Methods How about the Tomasi etudes? (I think it's a book of 9, published by Leduc).
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