Kingdigimon

Hello and great day to fellow trumpeteers -

I have such respect for dedicated musicians -- especially horn players. I used to be a professional guitarist 25 years ago in L.A. and went on to be a doc -- but always felt the music world close to my heart.

Now I've been playing trumpet for the last 10 years -- mostly self taught and lately I've been getting much more serious. Just bought a brand new horn --Zeno silver and I love it. I have lot's of questions about how to take care of it, etc.

I do have one question for the trumpet experts out there. I've been using a beat up mouthpiece all along -- a 7c -- because most have told me that is the best for jazz, which is what I love to play most. I really like the ballads and would like the best mellowist tone possible. With this 7c mouthpiece -- should I get a new one if the stem is a little tweeked?

Also regarding mouthpieces -- I have this beautiful gold-silver one that came with my Bflat Zeno -- don't have the style number in front of me. I went on line to visit Yamaha and was overwhelmed with the number of different mouthpieces -- wow -- they even have some in stering silver.

I can only imagine there must be memos posted on this subject and I will look for this but... if any of you pros have any advice what mouthpiece I should go for next? I heard that I should not change for a while until I get used to my new horn -- Is this true??

I look forward to sharing with the community -- I've been a chiropractor and massage therapist for over 27 years and would be willing to help any fellow trumpet players out in the L.A. area.

All the best,
David

Vulgano Brother

Welcome, Kingdigimon! Unless you want to open a perfectly huge can of womrs, use the mouthpiece that came with the horn. It may say something like 11C4 on it, in which case it is a high-tech 7c. If it says something else, don't sweat it, because almost all manufacturers, when they include a mouthpiece, include one that matches the horn. Have fun!

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tatakata

Hi David. Your 7C should be fine. Welcome! Man I could use a massage! Wish I was in LA

DLP08

Hey David, the mouthpiece that comes with a standard Yamaha Xeno is a Yamaha 16C4-GP. If you check out a size to guides, the 16 is quite a bit a way from that 7C that you are comfortable with.

In my opinion, if you are comfortable with the 7c stick right with it, and take that 16 and have it somewhere to look pretty

On the current 7c though...it can be repaired if the stem is just a little tweaked. But new ones aren't always that expensive anyways.

Good luck, and welcome to TM!

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Welcome to the TM David! Enjoy your stay!

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confuoco

Hi David, If the beat up 7C is bothering you try and find a new one. But don't expect it to feel exactly the same because it reads 7C. Also might want to try a 5C or 3C and see how it plays for you!

Kingdigimon

Thanks for all the responses so far. I would appreciate other pros or great trumpet players to give me their feedback on the mouthpiece issue.

I checked my mouthpiece that came with the Zeno and it's a 16C4-GP. It sure looks like a beautiful mouthpiece with the gold and silver. I wish there was more a universal approach to this mouthpiece issue.

I wonder how this 16C4-GP compares to the 7C I've been using? If it's much different, maybe I could try or trade it in for another Yamaha model that's closer to the 7c.

Any comments would be appreciated. Thx.

David

Rain

yeah, I have been told that a 7c is a beginer mouth piece, but it's not always the case, it's a good versital all around, popular mouth piece, To develope my tone, My Trumpet teacher told me to switch to a 5c then in another year i went to the 3c, the 3c i like the best out of those.

Rain

good luck

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would you by any chance be doctor dave hatherrow?

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For all the precision that goes into making trumpets and their mouthpieces, sizes don't have a standard. With Bach, and their clones, the smaller the number, the bigger the inner diameter, with Yamaha and Schilke the opposite is true. Measuring inner diameter is difficult because of the curved rim. Your 16C4 is "about" the size of a Bach 1C. The difference between an absolutely huge mouthpiece and a really tiny one is about 2 mm, and the difference between your 16C4 and your 7C might be around .75mm.

The "C" designation is for cup depth, Yamaha/Schilke go from shallow ("A") to deep ("D"). With Bach it is the other way around, "A" being deep (for trumpet in A) to "E" (for trumpet in Eb). The C cup is most widely used.

The "4" refers to the rim shape, which on your mouthpiece is flat and rounded at the same time, and is quite comfortable. The traditional 7C mouthpiece has a rather sharp "bite."

With rim diameter, shape and cup depth we have somewhere around a zillion possibilities, we can add to that backbores and throats, weights and materials and have a true search for the Holy Grail experience.

If you can swap your 16C4-GP for an 11C4-GP fine, or try the 16C4--it will take a bit of time to get used to, but may (or may not) be a better fit for you.

Good luck!

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