How far in should a cup mute be? - Page 2

Bob Grier · 09-05-2008, 04:25 PM

My rule of thumb for straight and cup mutes: When the low G speaks well the fit is right and it will be in tune. With a H&B standard cup the tips will almost touch the bell. With a mica, Shastock, Robinson, Denis Wick, Tom Crown this works out to about a 1/2 in gap between the bell and the edge of the mute. If the cup is up against the bell the sound will be muffled and out of tune. A lot of players in large ensembles like to use a Dennis Wick with the cup all the way out. While the Wick never gives a true traditional cup sound, the extended cup lets the player be heard. I've listened to too many players use a cup or harmon mute in large ensembles and they are never heard. I always increase my volume to match the music. Conductors like this. I get the best cup sound from a properly adjusted H&B or Robinson.

Bob Grier

rowuk · 09-05-2008, 04:33 PM

A champagne bottle cork fits on the top of the Bach mute perfectly!

Huggy Bear · 09-06-2008, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kadleck

John -

I used to carry around an adjustable cup mute but got too lazy to deal with it. Now I just bring my Humes & Berg "Mic-a-mute". If you take off the rubber piece, it acts as a Ray Robinson mute (my personal fave), without the cup falling off (as is always the case with the Robinson).

I also shoot for a 1/2 inch gap. If the part says "tight cup" I just jam it in farther. (insert jokes here).

TK

Uhhh...Huggy's head is spinning right now! Kad-mac you're killing me! Dude, you're rollin' hard core....Fo' Shizzle!!!

-Huggy

tedh1951 · 09-06-2008, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

A champagne bottle cork fits on the top of the Bach mute perfectly!

That's handy - and it would stop the beer going flat too quickly too.

miles71 · 09-07-2008, 07:03 PM

I just sat here for a few minutes trying to decide which dirty comment to put in.........

I think I froze up.

TD

Hitman0042 · 09-10-2008, 07:32 AM

I guess until it fits in properly. But you shouldn't jam it in cause you might damage the brass.

Lol its funny how I'm talking like a professional.

wiseone2 · 09-10-2008, 07:40 AM

What do you know about mutes, if you don't even know how to play an A on the trumpet?
Wilmer

et_mike · 09-10-2008, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseone2

What do you know about mutes, if you don't even know how to play an A on the trumpet?
Wilmer

Easy my friend, some arguments aren't woth having.

wiseone2 · 09-10-2008, 07:51 AM

Hitman is a troll.
I am finished speaking to the person.
Wilmer

et_mike · 09-10-2008, 08:05 AM

and that is why you are the wiseone!

09-05-2008, 04:25 PM	#11
Bob Grier Mezzo Forte User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 743	Re: How far in should a cup mute be? My rule of thumb for straight and cup mutes: When the low G speaks well the fit is right and it will be in tune. With a H&B standard cup the tips will almost touch the bell. With a mica, Shastock, Robinson, Denis Wick, Tom Crown this works out to about a 1/2 in gap between the bell and the edge of the mute. If the cup is up against the bell the sound will be muffled and out of tune. A lot of players in large ensembles like to use a Dennis Wick with the cup all the way out. While the Wick never gives a true traditional cup sound, the extended cup lets the player be heard. I've listened to too many players use a cup or harmon mute in large ensembles and they are never heard. I always increase my volume to match the music. Conductors like this. I get the best cup sound from a properly adjusted H&B or Robinson. Bob Grier

09-05-2008, 04:33 PM	#12
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,364	Re: How far in should a cup mute be? A champagne bottle cork fits on the top of the Bach mute perfectly! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

09-07-2008, 07:03 PM	#15
miles71 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 562	Re: How far in should a cup mute be? I just sat here for a few minutes trying to decide which dirty comment to put in......... I think I froze up. TD __________________ NYTC Stage 1 Endorsing Artist www.domenicomusic.com

09-10-2008, 07:32 AM	#16
Hitman0042 Banned Piano User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 287	Re: How far in should a cup mute be? I guess until it fits in properly. But you shouldn't jam it in cause you might damage the brass. Lol its funny how I'm talking like a professional.

09-10-2008, 07:40 AM	#17
wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Fortissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,870	Re: How far in should a cup mute be? What do you know about mutes, if you don't even know how to play an A on the trumpet? Wilmer __________________ Be sure Brain is engaged before putting Mouthpiece in gear. S.Suark 1951

09-10-2008, 07:51 AM	#19
wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Fortissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,870	Re: How far in should a cup mute be? Hitman is a troll. I am finished speaking to the person. Wilmer __________________ Be sure Brain is engaged before putting Mouthpiece in gear. S.Suark 1951

09-10-2008, 08:05 AM	#20
et_mike Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 725	Re: How far in should a cup mute be? and that is why you are the wiseone!

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