Recording Session Questions - Page 3

rowuk · 06-11-2009, 07:25 AM

In 10 years they will probably have the rights to "sample" our sounds from previous productions and midi the trumpet parts - and then claim "royalty free" that it was us!

ecarroll · 06-11-2009, 04:20 PM

A little recording session story: Back in 1979, Ray Crisara and I were hired (15 sessions, if memory serves) to record all of the music for NBC's coverage of the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow. The plug was pulled after 4 sessions when Jimmy Carter announced the US boycott do to the Soviet invasion of -- wait for it -- Afghanistan. Sessions lost, re-packaging/residuals too. A drag, obviously.

Ray was amazing and played everything on the Bb, dumbing it down to sound like a flugelhorn and heating it up to sound like a piccolo. I, on the other hand, was changing equipment about every bar.

Perhaps I was predestined to teach...
EC

Vulgano Brother · 06-11-2009, 04:32 PM

Gee, Ed, if it had been a Union gig you should have gotten paid for the whole package. On the other hand, since it was Carter, NBC could have used the "Acts of God" clause.

ecarroll · 06-11-2009, 07:44 PM

Vulglet,

The contract was looked over carefully by the union. No dice, alas, as it wasn't NBC's fault. In spite of this one speed bump, the arts flourished under Carter.

Best,
EC

Vulgano Brother · 06-11-2009, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecarroll

Vulglet,

Yikes, it looks like I'm about the first moderator to be banned from TM!

Joe DiMonte · 06-11-2009, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kadleck

That may certainly be the case. However, to protect yourself you should ask. If it gets picked up (as is) are they going to file a union contract? If not, then who is at fault? Is it the folks having the contest (who are trying to get "something for nothing")? Or is it the composer (trying to get away without paying re-use)?

The way I look at it, if the composer is getting paid "legit", you should too. If he/she is not, then you must decide what you want to do.

About 10-12 years ago I did a "buyout" for FOX Sports. It was (is) their baseball theme. Now they use it for baseball, news,etc... During the summer I hear it several times per day, EVERY day. I made a whopping $200, over a DECADE ago. AND, we triple tracked!!! Lame.

Then again, if I didn't do it someone else would have. A tough pill to swallow.

Tony

Outstanding recommendation,Tony.
While he may be focused on the cats who are promoting the show,he ought to focus on the composer !
As it goes with the business,only the leader and the composer get the re-use $$$$$$$$

"The music business stinks. The only thing that saves us is the beauty that we bring out of it and the beautiful people that are involved in it." - Jaki Byard

a marching trumpet · 06-22-2009, 03:54 AM

wow thats cool! well on the birght side you have somethin to tell your kids now

lbird2 · 08-31-2009, 12:22 PM

I hate it when the guitar player hangs over!

kadleck · 09-01-2009, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lbird2

I hate it when the guitar player hangs over!

NickD · 09-04-2009, 05:26 PM

Shortly after I left the road I was doing quite a few sessions before the bottom fell out around Chicago. I had an experience very similar to Tony's. A bunch of us were hired to play the demo for a local TV show. Yeah, it was a buyout. Yeah, it got used as the master and no matter how much we beefed, none of us got an extra dime.

Things are changing and changing fast. I believe, as MUSICIANS - artists, we have to look out for ourselves - "wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

I got called for a gig tomorrow night (Saturday depending on when you're reading this). The contractor called a few weeks ago. This guy runs a smokin' hot funk band, but is notorious for playing short bread bar gigs. He used to call me all the time, but quit calling because I kept turning him down for bar gigs on Saturdays. so when he called me, I told him I was open and then the next words out of my mouth was "what does it pay?" I was friendly and polite and tossed it out offhandedly. He became very evasive (another stunt this guy will pull). He said, in effect, "I'll take care of you." I took the gig and insisted that I need to know before I'd turn up.

I called him on Monday for the details and the SECOND thing I asked him was what the pay was. He didn't hem or how too much this time and quoted me a fee which was over my usual amount for a three hour gig - and I get paid pretty well for jobbing (club dates). It turns out the client knows me and insisted I be on the gig! Heh, heh! Now, as it turns out, I didn't have to goad him into paying more, but had he low-balled me, I was prepared to tell him I would stay home before working for short bread on a prime jobbing night.

This leader is not a bad guy, but he just has a very funny and sloppy way of working the business end of things. Even though he doesn't intend it this way, it is disrespectful of the sidemen to not be more organized and businesslike. I call it garage band mentality.

Now, this isn't as lofty as the recording session scene, but I am trying to speak to the need to stick up for yourself. You can do this and still be amicable and friendly.

These days, when I get called to record I only ask what the project is and what the pay is. REuse???? Around here (Chicago) that doesn't amount to much anymore.

Gotta run!

A student just came in!

Have a great holiday weekend!!!!

Nick

06-11-2009, 07:25 AM	#21
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,365	Re: Recording Session Questions In 10 years they will probably have the rights to "sample" our sounds from previous productions and midi the trumpet parts - and then claim "royalty free" that it was us! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

06-11-2009, 04:20 PM	#22
ecarroll Artist in Residence Forte User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NH/CA/PQ Posts: 1,969	Re: Recording Session Questions A little recording session story: Back in 1979, Ray Crisara and I were hired (15 sessions, if memory serves) to record all of the music for NBC's coverage of the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow. The plug was pulled after 4 sessions when Jimmy Carter announced the US boycott do to the Soviet invasion of -- wait for it -- Afghanistan. Sessions lost, re-packaging/residuals too. A drag, obviously. Ray was amazing and played everything on the Bb, dumbing it down to sound like a flugelhorn and heating it up to sound like a piccolo. I, on the other hand, was changing equipment about every bar. Perhaps I was predestined to teach... EC

06-11-2009, 04:32 PM	#23
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 4,253	Re: Recording Session Questions Gee, Ed, if it had been a Union gig you should have gotten paid for the whole package. On the other hand, since it was Carter, NBC could have used the "Acts of God" clause. __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

06-11-2009, 07:44 PM	#24
ecarroll Artist in Residence Forte User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NH/CA/PQ Posts: 1,969	Re: Recording Session Questions Vulglet, The contract was looked over carefully by the union. No dice, alas, as it wasn't NBC's fault. In spite of this one speed bump, the arts flourished under Carter. Best, EC

06-22-2009, 03:54 AM	#27
a marching trumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 160	Re: Recording Session Questions wow thats cool! well on the birght side you have somethin to tell your kids now

08-31-2009, 12:22 PM	#28
lbird2 New Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3	*$&%^ Guitar Players** I hate it when the guitar player hangs over!

09-04-2009, 05:26 PM	#30
NickD Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago northern suburbs Posts: 1,049	Re: Recording Session Questions Shortly after I left the road I was doing quite a few sessions before the bottom fell out around Chicago. I had an experience very similar to Tony's. A bunch of us were hired to play the demo for a local TV show. Yeah, it was a buyout. Yeah, it got used as the master and no matter how much we beefed, none of us got an extra dime. Things are changing and changing fast. I believe, as MUSICIANS - artists, we have to look out for ourselves - "wise as serpents and gentle as doves." I got called for a gig tomorrow night (Saturday depending on when you're reading this). The contractor called a few weeks ago. This guy runs a smokin' hot funk band, but is notorious for playing short bread bar gigs. He used to call me all the time, but quit calling because I kept turning him down for bar gigs on Saturdays. so when he called me, I told him I was open and then the next words out of my mouth was "what does it pay?" I was friendly and polite and tossed it out offhandedly. He became very evasive (another stunt this guy will pull). He said, in effect, "I'll take care of you." I took the gig and insisted that I need to know before I'd turn up. I called him on Monday for the details and the SECOND thing I asked him was what the pay was. He didn't hem or how too much this time and quoted me a fee which was over my usual amount for a three hour gig - and I get paid pretty well for jobbing (club dates). It turns out the client knows me and insisted I be on the gig! Heh, heh! Now, as it turns out, I didn't have to goad him into paying more, but had he low-balled me, I was prepared to tell him I would stay home before working for short bread on a prime jobbing night. This leader is not a bad guy, but he just has a very funny and sloppy way of working the business end of things. Even though he doesn't intend it this way, it is disrespectful of the sidemen to not be more organized and businesslike. I call it garage band mentality. Now, this isn't as lofty as the recording session scene, but I am trying to speak to the need to stick up for yourself. You can do this and still be amicable and friendly. These days, when I get called to record I only ask what the project is and what the pay is. REuse???? Around here (Chicago) that doesn't amount to much anymore. Gotta run! A student just came in! Have a great holiday weekend!!!! Nick __________________ NickD "Live Webcam Lessons Now Available with NickD" http://www.nickdrozdoff.com http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com http://www.myspace.com/nickdrozdoff Last edited by NickD; 09-05-2009 at 01:19 PM.

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