tuning

B15M · 05-09-2009, 06:48 PM

Hi Tony,

When I play lead and am playing up high I have to pull the main slide a little. When I play the next tune and I'm down low I have to pull back in.

Am I doing something wrong? This only happens when I use the lead mouthpiece. It's a custom Monette. A B4lds1n that they made a little deeper and more of a V cup. I don't know what the numbers mean.

When I played My Bach trumpet with a Zottola mouthpiece the problem was worse.

I don't think I'm pinching when I go up. I can lean down into the notes and make them in tune.

Thanks,
Joe

bagmangood · 05-09-2009, 08:07 PM

Are you using a monette horn?
My teacher had a "mid-size" shank and had horrible problems like that until he sent it back and made them put on a "normal" shank

B15M · 05-09-2009, 08:20 PM

I have a "normal" shank.

I would love to blame the trumpet, but I don't think it's the problem.

bagmangood · 05-09-2009, 08:30 PM

Just checking
it drove my teacher nuts...

B15M · 05-16-2009, 02:42 PM

Tony??

kadleck · 05-16-2009, 05:50 PM

That can be tricky to diagnose. The first shot would be that perhaps you are not supporting enough in the upper register, causing the pitch to sag. Just a thought.

In general, I must pull out quite a bit when using my lead mouthpiece. But then those "flat" notes (high D, Eb, and E) are (obviously) even flatter. I use many alternate fingerings. But above E everything seems to be back in tune. (Or at least as in tune as the notes below high D.)

Are you flat across the board up there or just on those few notes?

Tony

B15M · 05-17-2009, 07:46 AM

Hi Tony,

I'm not flat up high, I'm sharp. It's not one or two notes, it's the entire trumpet. In the lower register it's normal. If someone came to me with this problem I would think they are choking off to hit the notes causing the trumpet to go sharp. I don't think this is the problem but I'm open to all ideas.

TrentAustin · 05-17-2009, 02:14 PM

To me it sounds like your really playing on the top of the note centers. I have to watch out when I am playing not to "push the center up" when I increase my intensity.

Is it consistently sharp regardless of volume? If so that might be an indicator as well.

-T

B15M · 05-17-2009, 02:26 PM

Yes, alwayse sharp. The problem used to be worse on my Bach and Zottola MP

lemons · 05-17-2009, 02:42 PM

I've experienced this as well, I know how frustrating it can be. To try and a correct it, I put myself on the following regimen: 1st day practice everything....everything with a drone. 2nd day with a tuner. 3rd day by yourself. It should give you an idea where your tendencies lie. In performance if I feel the pitch getting funky, I try and really lock in the where the bass is. Above all....relax (for me the hardest part).

-Kevin

05-09-2009, 06:48 PM	#1
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,732	tuning Hi Tony, When I play lead and am playing up high I have to pull the main slide a little. When I play the next tune and I'm down low I have to pull back in. Am I doing something wrong? This only happens when I use the lead mouthpiece. It's a custom Monette. A B4lds1n that they made a little deeper and more of a V cup. I don't know what the numbers mean. When I played My Bach trumpet with a Zottola mouthpiece the problem was worse. I don't think I'm pinching when I go up. I can lean down into the notes and make them in tune. Thanks, Joe __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/

05-09-2009, 08:07 PM	#2
bagmangood Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bostonish & San Francisco Posts: 946	Re: tuning Are you using a monette horn? My teacher had a "mid-size" shank and had horrible problems like that until he sent it back and made them put on a "normal" shank __________________ Bb: Courtois 305 "Elite" C: Bach C180-239 (Akwright conversion), Cornet: Conn Wonder (1900) Picc: Selmer Paris, ~1971

05-09-2009, 08:20 PM	#3
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,732	Re: tuning I have a "normal" shank. I would love to blame the trumpet, but I don't think it's the problem. __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/

05-09-2009, 08:30 PM	#4
bagmangood Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bostonish & San Francisco Posts: 946	Re: tuning Just checking it drove my teacher nuts... __________________ Bb: Courtois 305 "Elite" C: Bach C180-239 (Akwright conversion), Cornet: Conn Wonder (1900) Picc: Selmer Paris, ~1971

05-16-2009, 02:42 PM	#5
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,732	Re: tuning Tony?? __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/

05-16-2009, 05:50 PM	#6
kadleck Artist in Residence Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: new york Posts: 686	Re: tuning That can be tricky to diagnose. The first shot would be that perhaps you are not supporting enough in the upper register, causing the pitch to sag. Just a thought. In general, I must pull out quite a bit when using my lead mouthpiece. But then those "flat" notes (high D, Eb, and E) are (obviously) even flatter. I use many alternate fingerings. But above E everything seems to be back in tune. (Or at least as in tune as the notes below high D.) Are you flat across the board up there or just on those few notes? Tony

05-17-2009, 07:46 AM	#7
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,732	Re: tuning Hi Tony, I'm not flat up high, I'm sharp. It's not one or two notes, it's the entire trumpet. In the lower register it's normal. If someone came to me with this problem I would think they are choking off to hit the notes causing the trumpet to go sharp. I don't think this is the problem but I'm open to all ideas. __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/

05-17-2009, 02:14 PM	#8
TrentAustin Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,058	Re: tuning To me it sounds like your really playing on the top of the note centers. I have to watch out when I am playing not to "push the center up" when I increase my intensity. Is it consistently sharp regardless of volume? If so that might be an indicator as well. -T __________________ http://trentaustin.com Consultant, S.E. Shires Trumpets Shires B59BLW "TA" model Bb trumpet Adams Gold Brass Flugelhorn Wedge Mouthpieces PM me for an appointment to try a Shires!

05-17-2009, 02:26 PM	#9
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,732	Re: tuning Yes, alwayse sharp. The problem used to be worse on my Bach and Zottola MP __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/

05-17-2009, 02:42 PM	#10
lemons Pianissimo User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 52	Re: tuning I've experienced this as well, I know how frustrating it can be. To try and a correct it, I put myself on the following regimen: 1st day practice everything....everything with a drone. 2nd day with a tuner. 3rd day by yourself. It should give you an idea where your tendencies lie. In performance if I feel the pitch getting funky, I try and really lock in the where the bass is. Above all....relax (for me the hardest part). -Kevin

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