Getting started the natural way

tatakata · 03-12-2008, 06:54 PM

so how do I get started with the natural trumpet. where do I buy the horn and mouthpiece. Any books I should try playing out of? How much is a natty going to set me back?

Seems like there is a more of a market for this these days.

Adam Smith · 03-12-2008, 07:31 PM

http://www.earlybrass.com/nattrump.htm

there is also a workshop where you make your own natural trumpet in Indiana and it costs $660
Workshops

rowuk · 03-13-2008, 09:31 AM

You can start with a garden hose, a funnel and your trumpet mouthpiece (seriously).

The two links above would get you started. If you wanted a step up in playability, the instruments by Michael Münkwitz are EXCELLENT values:
The Baroque Trumpet Shop
or www.trumpetmaker.com * Historical brass instruments * Michael Münkwitz

I use the 3 hole Riedel model quite a bit. I played the Birckholtz model recently and think that will be my next purchase.

brunets · 03-13-2008, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

You can start with a garden hose, a funnel and your trumpet mouthpiece (seriously).

Ho, yes! The Hosaphone(TM)! See Hosaphone(tm) Headquarters (aka Hose-a-phonium)

Stéphane

JustinSmith · 03-13-2008, 02:31 PM

I highly recommend the trumpet building course. I think I already posted about this before. It was a real gratifying experience to build your own natural trumpet. i would like to do it again some time.

They have one workshop in Bloomington, IN near IU, and one in Rostock, Germany.

You will build a natural trumpet from scratch.

BrassOnLine · 03-20-2008, 01:16 PM

Bob Barclay's workshop is an interesting idea.
Also, you can take a look to my site: Página en Desarrollo

GordonH · 03-28-2008, 05:27 AM

Get hold of an Eb cavalry trumpet like this one:

Gold Lacquer Cavalry Trumpet - Superb on eBay, also, Bugle, Brass, Musical Instruments (end time 22-Apr-08 00:51:28 BST)

Then organise some crooks.
Its much simpler than starting from scratch.

I used to have one, here is a picture:

I have also made my own natural trumpet from plumbing tubing and the bell off an old trumpet.
I did not have a spare leadpipe so I had to make one from interlocking sections of tubing off the donor instrument.
I finished it off with a tuneable leadpipe that I had lying around.
The secret was to make the instrument in two sections of tubing which could be gradually trimmed back to get the correct length.

I am on holiday and only have limited access to scanning etc but I am going to measure it all up and make photographs of it so you can have a go at making one.
I think it cost about £10 to make in total because I had the donor parts.

The best way to do the leadpipe is to use one from a Bb trumpet and adapt the slide end so it takes a clamp for tuning adjustment, then put the leg of the old tuning slide into the pipe it is attaching to.
I have seen this method used often and its very effective.

BrassOnLine · 03-28-2008, 06:13 AM

A nice resource to make a fake, but serviciable natural trumpet, is mr. Donaldson website. Take a look: Baroque Trumpet

stchasking · 03-28-2008, 10:43 AM

If you start out with the hose and funnel I recommend the transmission oil funnel. The funnel is purchased at Wal-Mart and is usually black, long, and slender. The length is about 18 inches. It is by far the best choice for the bell. You will need a short, 8 inch, length of tigon tubing with an inside diameter of .75 inches. Jam the short length onto the funnel. Then you choose a length of .375 inch tigon tubing for the rest. I chose 8 feet. The .375 inch tube fits inside the .75 inch tube so you can transition to the funnel.

You will note that the .375 tigon tube is approximately the inside diameter of most modern trumpets.

I keep mine in the car and buzz on long trips. I have used it to irritate French horn players. I can nearly blend with the horn section with their $4000 plus instruments.

Tigon tube is purchased at Lowes or Home Depot.

rowuk · 03-28-2008, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonH

Get hold of an Eb cavalry trumpet like this one:

Gold Lacquer Cavalry Trumpet - Superb on eBay, also, Bugle, Brass, Musical Instruments (end time 22-Apr-08 00:51:28 BST)

Then organise some crooks.
Its much simpler than starting from scratch.

I used to have one, here is a picture:

I have also made my own natural trumpet from plumbing tubing and the bell off an old trumpet.
I did not have a spare leadpipe so I had to make one from interlocking sections of tubing off the donor instrument.
I finished it off with a tuneable leadpipe that I had lying around.
The secret was to make the instrument in two sections of tubing which could be gradually trimmed back to get the correct length.

I am on holiday and only have limited access to scanning etc but I am going to measure it all up and make photographs of it so you can have a go at making one.
I think it cost about £10 to make in total because I had the donor parts.

The best way to do the leadpipe is to use one from a Bb trumpet and adapt the slide end so it takes a clamp for tuning adjustment, then put the leg of the old tuning slide into the pipe it is attaching to.
I have seen this method used often and its very effective.

The VanRyne baroque trumpets look like they were built this way too. Donor parts and that Frankenstein look.............

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tatakata Mezzo Forte User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 907	Getting started the natural way so how do I get started with the natural trumpet. where do I buy the horn and mouthpiece. Any books I should try playing out of? How much is a natty going to set me back? Seems like there is a more of a market for this these days.
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03-12-2008, 07:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Adam Smith Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: University of Alabama Brand: Harrelson Posts: 180	Re: Getting started the natural way http://www.earlybrass.com/nattrump.htm there is also a workshop where you make your own natural trumpet in Indiana and it costs $660 Workshops Last edited by Adam Smith : 03-12-2008 at 07:34 PM.

03-13-2008, 09:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
rowuk Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,506	Re: Getting started the natural way You can start with a garden hose, a funnel and your trumpet mouthpiece (seriously). The two links above would get you started. If you wanted a step up in playability, the instruments by Michael Münkwitz are EXCELLENT values: The Baroque Trumpet Shop or www.trumpetmaker.com * Historical brass instruments * Michael Münkwitz I use the 3 hole Riedel model quite a bit. I played the Birckholtz model recently and think that will be my next purchase.
	__________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

03-13-2008, 02:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
JustinSmith Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC, in Europe for summer Posts: 235	Re: Getting started the natural way I highly recommend the trumpet building course. I think I already posted about this before. It was a real gratifying experience to build your own natural trumpet. i would like to do it again some time. They have one workshop in Bloomington, IN near IU, and one in Rostock, Germany. You will build a natural trumpet from scratch.
	__________________ Justin J. Smith When people believe in boundaries, they become part of them.......Don Cherry

03-20-2008, 01:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
BrassOnLine Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Spain and Oman Brand: Callet Posts: 68	Re: Getting started the natural way Bob Barclay's workshop is an interesting idea. Also, you can take a look to my site: Página en Desarrollo
	__________________ F. Pérez Historical Brass Instruments Custom Trumpets Custom Repair Shop www.Baroque-Trumpets.com

03-28-2008, 05:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
GordonH Mezzo Piano User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Scotland Brand: Monette Posts: 546	Re: Getting started the natural way Get hold of an Eb cavalry trumpet like this one: Gold Lacquer Cavalry Trumpet - Superb on eBay, also, Bugle, Brass, Musical Instruments (end time 22-Apr-08 00:51:28 BST) Then organise some crooks. Its much simpler than starting from scratch. I used to have one, here is a picture: I have also made my own natural trumpet from plumbing tubing and the bell off an old trumpet. I did not have a spare leadpipe so I had to make one from interlocking sections of tubing off the donor instrument. I finished it off with a tuneable leadpipe that I had lying around. The secret was to make the instrument in two sections of tubing which could be gradually trimmed back to get the correct length. I am on holiday and only have limited access to scanning etc but I am going to measure it all up and make photographs of it so you can have a go at making one. I think it cost about £10 to make in total because I had the donor parts. The best way to do the leadpipe is to use one from a Bb trumpet and adapt the slide end so it takes a clamp for tuning adjustment, then put the leg of the old tuning slide into the pipe it is attaching to. I have seen this method used often and its very effective.
	__________________ "O trumpeter, methinks I am myself the instrument thou playest, Thou melt'st my heart, my brain--thou movest, drawest, changest them at will;" (Walt Whitman)

03-28-2008, 06:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
BrassOnLine Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Spain and Oman Brand: Callet Posts: 68	Re: Getting started the natural way A nice resource to make a fake, but serviciable natural trumpet, is mr. Donaldson website. Take a look: Baroque Trumpet
	__________________ F. Pérez Historical Brass Instruments Custom Trumpets Custom Repair Shop www.Baroque-Trumpets.com

03-28-2008, 10:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
stchasking Forte User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,074	Re: Getting started the natural way If you start out with the hose and funnel I recommend the transmission oil funnel. The funnel is purchased at Wal-Mart and is usually black, long, and slender. The length is about 18 inches. It is by far the best choice for the bell. You will need a short, 8 inch, length of tigon tubing with an inside diameter of .75 inches. Jam the short length onto the funnel. Then you choose a length of .375 inch tigon tubing for the rest. I chose 8 feet. The .375 inch tube fits inside the .75 inch tube so you can transition to the funnel. You will note that the .375 tigon tube is approximately the inside diameter of most modern trumpets. I keep mine in the car and buzz on long trips. I have used it to irritate French horn players. I can nearly blend with the horn section with their $4000 plus instruments. Tigon tube is purchased at Lowes or Home Depot.
	__________________ "I was performing professionally at age 17 and have never had a real job." Allen Vizzutti http://cdbaby.com/cd/mcking

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